To: From: "ixtabai" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [epd] Next shot. Jacqueline & others who are discouraged, It usually takes at least a year of shots (or 6 shots...whichever takes longer) before you see dramatic results....or sometimes that long before you see ANY positive results!!! The Pink Book (in the US) says this. That was my experience and it seems to be the experience of many people who have been on this list. (Note that many of the folks who got better, have left this list, but their stories are in the archives.) For me, I had slight improvement with shots 1 & 2, then with shot 3 I was MUCH worse than I ever was...even before I started EPD. I was getting shots every 2 months. With shot 3, about 4 days after my shot, I had SEVERE asthma...so bad that I couldn't walk one-half block in town...so bad that I had to go on Prednisone (a steroid)...so bad that about all I could do was sit in a recliner-chair & watch TV and knit. I taught myself to knit during this time because I needed something to do, other than watch TV! And, sometimes knitting was too much activity! (ha! ha!) The Prednisone caused my Rosacea (facial skin problem) to flare up like it had never done....imagine a swollen face with a severe sunburn and mosquito bites all over it. That's how my face felt...burning & itching all at once. The cotton sheet on the bed made my face hurt if it touched my face!!! The Rosacea & asthma lasted until I got shot 4 (almost 2 months). I was miserable!!! I was ready to quit EPD...but thanks to the kind folks on this list & their success stories, I stayed with it. Their stories told of similar experiences...temporary, small improvements, then getting worse and feeling awful, then dramatic improvement after about a year (or 6 shots). Then I had shot 4 and my health went back to where it was with shots 1 & 2. Shot 4 lasted 4 months. With shot 5, I felt better yet. After shot 6 I felt normal most of the time!!! Of course when I had an exposure to something, I had a reaction, but it wasn't as bad a reaction as before EPD. So, stick with it. But some things to check on are these....Are you getting the right shot dose? Is it too low or too strong? Are all of the antigens mixed into one injection...or do you get several injections? (Mixing the antigens into one injection will result in a VERY, VERY low dose.) Is there something that should be added to your shot? Are you doing a gut prep before each shot? Is the gut prep killing off the "bad guys" in your gut before the shot? Hang in there & one of these days you'll wake up & feel like a new person!!! ixtabai ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Keuning" To: "epd" Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: [epd] Next shot. Hi all, I wanted to thank everyone who wrote in response to my post about bismuth. I havenıt had time to answer you all, as first my husband, then my 2 yr old got a nasty virus. I developed a cold myself, but it isnıt too bad. My little boy however, got quite ill. Heıs had a high fever for ten days now, and just today developed pneumonia. Despite our GPıs best efforts with homeopathics, we decided it was time to put him on antibiotics. I do hope he is going to get better now, as he has been very miserable. Ofcourse I didnıt get much sleep myself, but well, thatıs a mothersı job, isnıt it. I am getting my #5 shot this Friday, and hope I wonıt be too stressed, or too tired to get any benefit from the shot. I am calling my doc tomorrow to ask her about it. I called her last week about the bismuth, and she said to try with just sporanox and see how it goes. I think the improvement I saw two weeks after the shot, which lasted only four days until the bismuth problems started, may have been a positive reaction to the shot. Unfortunately the bismuth seems to have killed the shot. It does, however, give me some hope for the future. I feel this whole epd thing is a bit of a struggle. As my doc only does the shots once a month, a cold, or a sick child, or working in an Oallergenicı environment in the week after the shot can be a real obstacle. It is so hard to get everything just right for this one day. And to make things worse, I can only get shots from september ­ february because of my severe pollen allergy. If I had more time, I might have postponed my next shot. But who knows what might go wrong next time? I want you all to know that you have helped me get through these two months. I was on the verge of giving up on epd, despite the fact that my doc said I had to give it more time. I was getting worse after 3 out of four shots, but I have decided to stick with it at least until my last shot this winter. If I havenıt seen any benefits by then, I think I may be better off with lots of allergies that I can handle, than with lots of allergies that are getting worse after a shot and then, as the shot wears off, return to their normal state. Thanks to all of you, I havenıt given up hope. Jacqueline ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/jd3IAA/gzSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ********************************************************** The #1 EPD list rule - NEVER POST A DOCTOR'S NAME!!!! To unsubscribe from this list, send an email message to: epd-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ********************************************************** Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/